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Hunger, CO2, Climate Change and Co. Are Nonsense, Stupidity, Populism – A Discussion About the Planned IKIG (Intermunicipal Industrial Area)Finally, a Different Opinion in Bürgerstimme. Some may already be familiar with the name Christian Pagel. He always strives to present a counterbalance to these government and narrative critics. In my assessment, it is especially important to him not to be part of a minority. Therefore, he always sides with the government, whether this government is Black-Red or Red-Green-Yellow. On the regional level, he acts in the same way, regardless of which party, for example, a district administrator or mayor belongs to. He does not want to live in a world where — as he repeatedly writes — "disinformation, untruths, and lies" find their way into the public. Such "disinformation" should, in his view, be deleted. He considers government and narrative critics to be stupid, and himself to be smart. His profile picture on Facebook is the bottle label of the beer brand Beck's. He has been vaccinated against Corona 6 times and is, at about 30 years of age according to his own statement, in the best mental and physical health. He sees himself as a philanthropist and has repeatedly welcomed police violence and the use of water cannons against Corona measure critics in the past, if these did not comply with political rules such as mask-wearing and distancing. It is important to him that laws and regulations are followed by citizens. On the other hand, he can hardly or does not want to perceive lawbreaking by politicians. He follows me meticulously on Facebook. From his perspective, this is not stalking but his hobby. It is important to him to act against everything he regards as "lies and disinformation." He publicly voiced his criticism of the article Why Does No One Stop the IKIG? – Madness Because of the Climate Madness? Since I am a big supporter of freedom of opinion and diversity of opinions, I present the entire public chat conversation here — without classification or commentary. I assume that the interested reader can form their own opinion. I only want to point out that Christian Pagel always tries to present his frequent misinterpretations of my words as my actual words. But this is not the case. Because I want everything to be as authentic as possible, I have not corrected his grammar mistakes. 
Christian Pagel Again and again the lies of Michael Thurm and his many personalities. Schizophrenia is definitely not the only mental deficit here. Our uneducated contrarian sect clown doesn't even understand anything about the carbon cycle... Well, whoever has their education from Folien Fiedler or other losers like EIKE shares, has no interest in science, they are an enemy of humanity. Society and future generations absolutely do not matter to them. Michael Thurm Christian Pagel You did not understand the polemic. You also did not understand the two colored bars. Christian Pagel Michael since when does polemic mean spreading lies and untruths? Do you have no real arguments? Can't you write constructive ones or do you have to attract other contrarians with your many personalities? What is there not to understand about the bars? It’s self-explanatory. The question is, what do you want to say with it? What is the lie under the green bar supposed to mean? Michael Thurm Christian Pagel Let me try to explain it to you, even though I assume you won’t understand it as a subject: Look for the red area in the mostly blue bar. The second bar represents the red area. It contains the part that represents the “bad” CO2. You can surely see the ratio. Within this dark red area, the part representing the “bad” German CO2 should be shown. But this is not possible because the value is too low and cannot be displayed. So how big could the impact on the climate be? If the invisible CO2 is so bad, shouldn’t all measures be abandoned that take away more space from nature? Currently, well over 8 billion people live on Earth. They are all hungry. Shouldn’t all measures be stopped that convert land used to grow food into land no longer available for agriculture, in order to reduce hunger worldwide? Especially since it is said that climate change will make agriculture more difficult. https://www.welthungerhilfe.de/hunger/welthunger-index How sensible is the IKIG, especially since many areas nearby are still free where companies could immediately settle if they wanted to? What could be the reason for insisting on realizing the IKIG? Obviously, it is not climate protection or fighting hunger. Christian Pagel Michael, how many times have I already explained to you, uneducated contrarian sect clown, that your argument about the supposedly negligible share of anthropogenic CO2 and also Germany’s share is just stupidity and has nothing to do with scientific facts? A balance in nature is already disturbed by minimal changes. A small dose of a poison can have a big effect. If, even before industrialization, this small share of CO2 in the atmosphere ensured a livable climate — which according to your argument is impossible due to the small share of the whole — then a change of this small share can also sustainably and negatively affect the climate. Germany’s share is not negligible either. Everything is proven, all scientifically verified. No matter how big or small your bars are, one inattentiveness in your life bar and it ends, even if this line cannot be displayed. Do you understand this, Michael? A field area has no influence on the climate. What is grown there does not contribute to reducing CO2. Animals and other living beings that emit CO2 through breathing have no relevance to the CO2 concentration because they are part of the natural carbon cycle. Everything “unnatural” that is added, i.e., through burning fossil fuels, sustainably affects the carbon cycle. Your argument about hunger and the 8 billion people is baseless nonsense if you look at the area and the framework conditions. Germany has food in abundance; every day tons are destroyed because they spoil. A large part of food production is used as feed for animals. No grain, beet, or potato from that area reaches the hungry people! You can of course express your opinion about settlement, but then please with real arguments, sound, comprehensible, and sustainable ones! Hunger, CO2, climate change and so on are nonsense, stupidity, populism — call it what you want. None of these are arguments against settlement. You could also say you don’t want the site, you love nature, you don’t like industry there, no trucks driving there, whatever — at least that would be honest! Author: AI-Translation - Michael Thurm | 11.01.2025 |
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