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Nazi Sympathizers and Nazi Symbol DeniersAnyone who wants to understand how propaganda works can either get the relevant reading material or simply look at what some contemporaries post on social networks. 
I posted the link to the RTde page titled Ex-Pentagon Official: US Arming Ukrainian Neonazis a Sign of Desperation unfiltered in the Facebook group "Democrats Zeitz". The article claims that the US now intends to directly supply the Ukrainian Azov regiment with American weapons. Previously, this was done only indirectly. A Selma Anderson reacted with: "Pure Putin propaganda on Putin’s state propaganda channel. How brainless must one be to spread such nonsense?" She did not address the content of the article. I asked: "So you say the photo is fake and the information that the US no longer classifies the Azov group as Nazis and now also supplies weapons to them is false?" Christian Pagel joined in and wrote: "He is completely hollow and stubbornly devoted to Russian propaganda, we all know that. Lying is also part of his standard repertoire." I asked again: "So the photo is a forgery and there are no Nazis in Ukraine?" Selma Anderson replied: "Yes, there were at least: Putin’s Wagner guys are pure Nazis." It should be noted that Christian and Selma count themselves among those who stand for diversity and democracy. At least Christian claims to be in contact with local politicians. The discerning reader will certainly recognize in their lines the typical propaganda tactics of insult and defamation when the argument looks weak. They do not address the actual facts. Christian Pagel wrote elsewhere under the link I posted: "Again these lies and dripping propaganda from Russian troll factories. Plus a fired US American who regularly appears on Russian media for money and sings their tune..." and added the link https://militarist-monitor.org/profile/f-michael-maloof/. It is clear here too that his goal is not information, but discrediting the mentioned ex-Pentagon official Michael Maloof. I asked again: "You say the photo is fake and the information that the US no longer classifies the Azov group as Nazis and now supplies them with weapons is false?" He replied: "You don’t have to lie again by cherry-picking what might be true. Everyone knows the guy is a paid Kremlin troll who only says what they want to hear." Christian seems to have sources and moves in circles that constantly deal with this "guy." Apparently, this is a fairly large circle in which Maloof is known. I asked once more: "So the photo is fake and there are no Nazis in Ukraine?" Pagel wrote: "The photo is not fake and every country has Nazis. Still, this is the worst Kremlin propaganda. If you just wanted to inform yourself, you would have posted this article. It also explains how the brigade is currently organized." with a link to Controversial Ukrainian military unit: US apparently lifts arms embargo on Azov Brigade. There you get the same information as on RTde that the US decided to directly supply the Ukrainian Azov Brigade with weapons because the US State Department found no evidence of human rights violations by the Azov Brigade. Therefore, the information from RTde is not false. Tagesspiegel.de continues: "At the beginning of the volunteer battalion founded shortly after the start of the conflict in Eastern Ukraine in 2014, its fighters caused a stir with neo-Nazi symbols such as the Wolfsangel. Among the founders of the battalion was the well-known right-wing extremist Andrij Bilezkyj. In 2016, human rights organizations Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch accused Azov fighters of human rights violations, including torture." I asked Christian: "So Nazis are okay with you as long as they are not accused of human rights violations?" Christian answered: "No, Nazis or people with right-wing extremist views are fundamentally not acceptable to me. If you would inform yourself, you’d know there are hardly any right-wing extremists left in the brigade. These people are soldiers here fighting against your friend Putin and his army, for their homeland. It is your propaganda that simultaneously has right-wing nationalists in its ranks, like the Wagner guys, while fighting against an allegedly right-wing government in Kiev. What contortions do your two synapses have to make to criticize one and tolerate the other? When will you write an article about the right-wing extremists in the AfD, about right-wing extremists in Burgenlandkreis, convicted Nazis in Elsteraue?" The photo in the RTde article shows Azov flags with the Wolfsangel symbol. So I asked: "So you say someone who wears Nazi symbols is not a Nazi because of that?" Christian replied: "If this is the uniform of this brigade, that does not mean you are a Nazi. How many actually wear the symbols? Why the Azov Regiment gets US weapons Why don’t you address the other points, coward?" The ZDF article Christian linked explains, or rather whitewashes, the history of the Azov Regiment. It states: "Azov included right-wing street fighters, football hooligans from the Kharkiv Metallist team, but also liberals, apolitical people, some hippies, and some anarchists." I try to imagine how hippies might have fit in this regiment – with a joint, flower power, stoned, chilling at the machine gun? The ZDF article continues: "In this early phase, there were a number of cases where Azov fighters treated captured separatists and civilians accused of collaboration in clearly unlawful ways, including beatings and torture." My question here would be whether torture could possibly be considered a human rights violation. If yes, then those human rights violations did occur after all. The ZDF article also states: "The current Azov Brigade has little in common with its right-wing extremist predecessor, except for its past, some commanders, and some symbols. In particular, the composition of the unit has changed. Moreover, the unit was reorganized several times due to combat losses. Today, Azov is one of Ukraine’s most experienced and efficient combat units." So there are still commanders from earlier years in this unit, and at least the Wolfsangel symbol is still used by the unit. Why keep these symbols and not change the regiment’s name? The likely answer is: Because Ukraine is proud of this unit and its past. Otherwise, they could discard any symbolism and even the name. Since these combat units are described as efficient, one can assume that a large part of the fighters have been involved for more than just a few days. Combat experience and efficiency are certainly not learned in a few weeks or months. The end of the ZDF article gets sad. It states that Azov remains a simple target of Russian propaganda. I responded to Christian’s post with a quote from Wikipedia: "Due to its history, the Wolfsangel is thus a symbol within the meaning of the penal norm § 86a StGB (use of symbols of unconstitutional organizations) and therefore criminal in connection with a banned organization." Christian wrote back: "Where is this symbol banned? Did you read that properly? Why don’t you answer my questions? Coward?" referring to the ZDF article which says: "The battalion’s emblem resembles a Nazi symbol from World War II, the Wolfsangel. The group was very heterogeneous from day one, even if the prevailing mindset was still nationalist." So ZDF claims that the Azov Regiment’s symbol only resembles the Wolfsangel. Christian, judging by his statement, apparently shares this view. I asked him to scroll down a bit in the Wikipedia article. There the symbols are shown: 
Everyone can form their own opinion whether it is basically the same symbol or just resembles it. If this were a trademark infringement case, any court would probably say they are pretty much identical symbols. ZDF just turns a blind eye and so does Christian. Christian repeated himself: "Again, where is this symbol banned? Please just answer this question. Did you read correctly or not? Are you too cowardly to answer my other questions? Is that the undifferentiated stance you want to continue to confirm? Have you dealt with the regiment and its emblem or are you just a primitive Kremlin troll who can’t even research properly? https://ukraineverstehen.de/likhachev-ccl-was-man-ueber-asow-wissen-muss/ Every post without addressing my text is another declaration of bankruptcy…" On the page Christian linked, the question "2. Are all members of the regiment neo-Nazis?" is answered with "No, of course not." It further states that right-wing fighters were deliberately "eliminated" in 2017. Anyone who remembers the unblurred pictures from when the fighters surrendered at the Azov steel plant in 2022 knows many of them had tattoos with Nazi symbols. The claim that these were eliminated in 2017 is likely misinformation from this website, which is promoted by the Foreign Office. For Christian, that’s not a problem since he again asked where the Wolfsangel is banned. Christian wants me to definitely write something about "the right-wing extremists in the AfD, the right-wing extremists in Burgenlandkreis, convicted Nazis in Elsteraue?" I have no information on that. He is welcome to do so himself if he has verifiable facts. It is evident from these posts that the friends of diversity and colorful democracy, who take to the streets against the right and label everyone who criticizes the government as right-wing, far-right, and Nazis, have no qualms about Nazis when these Nazis fight for the good cause, against evil. Are they thus Nazi sympathizers? Nazi symbols are also no problem if these symbols are not 100% identical and are worn by the good guys. Are they thus also Nazi symbol deniers? It follows the usual method: One thing is one thing and the other thing is the other thing. There are good Nazis who fight the evil Russians, are allowed to wear Nazi symbols, probably have no shortage of human rights violations on their record, and are now directly supplied with US weapons so that the killing can continue. And then there are the bad Nazis who also march in Burgenlandkreis at many demonstrations for peace, freedom, democracy, and a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine war. Not to forget those drunken young adults on Sylt. For God’s sake. Right-wing extremists. Terrible. And the AfD. Horrible, what they demand. Absolutely unacceptable. Although, they do not demand weapons. They want peace with Russia. Nowadays, demanding peace is right-wing extremist and Nazi. Today, RTde reported that Russia is ready for a ceasefire and peace talks in Ukraine. Quote: "Our side will order a ceasefire and begin negotiations as soon as Kiev declares it is ready to make this decision and begins the actual withdrawal of troops from these regions, and also officially informs us that it no longer plans to join NATO." Spiegel.de reports on this: With the move, the Kremlin apparently tries to torpedo the peace summit in Switzerland, which Russia itself is not attending. It is not mentioned that Russia was not invited to this peace conference. I find it interesting that the idea that Putin would want to torpedo the search for a way to peace with a peace offer is being entertained. If it weren’t so sad, I would ask again: What is allowed in satire? I also use RTde as an information source to know how things are thought there and because they often show information that German media like to omit. Author: AI-Translation - Michael Thurm | vor dem 01.07.2024 |
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